Oppo, I'm Loosing My MIND!! :(

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
06/17/2014 at 21:10 • Filed to: Confliction

Do I want a Porsche 944 or do I want an old Mustang?!?

I'm going insane on this subject right now! Ever since the debacle with the 911 going haywire and my dad using the hateful sentence, "It's my car!"(As true as that may be, it still hurts. :( ) I've been searching Craigslist all around me for a classic car to call my own, and the ones that keep going on and off in my mind are 944, and Mustang. Which one do I want? I Don't know! There's so many to choose from. The fact that I can tell my dad that "This Porsche is MINE!" is just so EVIL, but the sound of 'Murican V8 with CAMSSS, is soo tempting; I could be that one person in the family that takes the 'Murican route just once. I think I've spent 30 hours on Craigslist in the past week looking non-stop. Help me Oppo, please! :(

DISCUSSION (100)

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:12

Give us some individual cars, and we'll tell you which to buy.

Jonathan Harper > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:15

Kinja'd!!!

Definitely an old Subaru.

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:15

Unless you find a Boss 302 like the one above, 944 is clearly the answer.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
06/17/2014 at 21:15

I wish I knew! :(

I'd love any 944, as long as it's not a 944S, S2 or 951.

I'd love any Mustang from '64-91 that has a V8 and a manual, I can't choose and there aren't enough cars local to me that fit the bill of ready to be driven away or for $2000 and below. :(

HiredDriver > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:15

Mustang is the hands down pick if weekend only car. Otherwise, Porsche 944.

daender > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:16

What's the main purpose of your vehicle? Do you need it to be dependable, run like a clock, and be easy to work on and afford repairs? Or will you have time to tinker, work, and DIY repairs? The Porsche is a handler but I don't know how big the customization market is, the Mustang can be a jack-of-all-trades performer with an enormous aftermarket support. Oh, and does your area have lots of fun, curvy roads or dead-straight highways and field roads?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 21:16

I just don't know man... :(

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > daender
06/17/2014 at 21:18

The purpose would for it to be a summer-only car, even as a summer-daily! definitely easy to work on and repair in a small garage with some minimal experience and affordable. My area is shitty imperfect roads with plenty of curves when I start to move out from my area with some hills here and there and maybe some backroads if I can find any. but mostly city/suburban/highway locally.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Jonathan Harper
06/17/2014 at 21:19

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > HiredDriver
06/17/2014 at 21:19

What about Spring/Summer Daily?

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:20

It's okay, because I do.

Wait....why not GTV?

Kinja'd!!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 21:21

Kinja'd, I can't see what it is..

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:23

....it's a GTV...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 21:24

I don't know what that is? I just looked it up and It's an Alfalfa Romeo?

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:26

Yes, it is that oppo user.

Kinja'd!!!

Does this one work?

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:26

Old Mustang, parts are plentiful and are being remade. You can also set up a Mustang to easily out drive a 944, (won't take much, 944's are slower than Pintos).

Grindintosecond > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:27

My combination of definitely different. older mustang. 250 inline six, aussie crossflow head all worked over with a set of tripple webers and a bundle of snakes....cammed out...4 liters of fun fun inline sound!

Kinja'd!!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 21:29

Eh....Yeah it works, but I'm not sure if I like it...I think I'd rather have an old Bimmer.

Vicente Esteve > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:29

Hmmmm, I dont know, you tell me, Mr. PORSCHE TAMER.

daender > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:30

I think the Mustang would be the safer bet of owning between the two provided the previous owner has been kind. Mustang parts are likely easier to source new or from junkyards, and they're pretty much blank canvas for whatever routes you wish to take it. Porsche parts might be tougher to find and you might be dealing headache-causing stereotypical German over-engineering. Mustangs can be fun on curvy roads with a few suspension mods, especially the Fox-bodies, and still soak up crappy road surfaces. Just don't buy a V6 Mustang and strap a supercharger to it, I'm speaking from experience when I say it's a bad, bad, bad idea.

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:30

I have your solution:

Kinja'd!!!

I'd MUCH rather have a 2002 than pretty much any other classic. Except an Alfa.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
06/17/2014 at 21:30

But 944's handle like gods for their time and age and continue to do so..Old Mustang though, no one in my family has owned a Mustang before I don't think.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:31

There's a nice old 944 for sale near me!

http://www.goodcarsfornicepeople.com/1984_Porsche_9…

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:33

Get a Mustang.

You want a V8.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vicente Esteve
06/17/2014 at 21:34

I DON'T KNOW!!!! *Sobbing*

Kinja'd!!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Grindintosecond
06/17/2014 at 21:37

I LOVE ME SOME CAMMSSSSSS!!!!!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > daender
06/17/2014 at 21:38

What happened when V6 + Supercharger=??

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
06/17/2014 at 21:39

Damn it I do...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
06/17/2014 at 21:40

I think I want Stang, but I cannot find ONE around me that's anywhere near decent.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 21:46

2002 looks nice. I'd love an old 3-series too..

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:47

E30 is nice, but 2002 is on a completely different level.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 21:48

How much different?

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 21:49

Cooler looking in every way, lighter, more fun.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 21:52

I like fun.

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:02

ME TOO!!

Vicente Esteve > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:02

*Slaps K-Poll-PorscheTamer-JrEngineer* "Look at me, LOOK at me. You are going to put this on, and take that shit out of your head." *Brings this*

Kinja'd!!!

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:04

Mustang. Easier to find a good condition one, more parts, everything is cheaper and easier to fix.

Kinja'd!!!

daender > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:14

It's an unreliable Frankenstein of a motor. The iron block's been punched out from 3.8 to over 4 liters, forged pistons and rods, a really too-aggressive cam, and a SVT Cobra supercharger adapted to fit on top. It's come close the annihilating the stock V6 automatic transmission, it took a built t-5 to keep it together. It needs water-injection to keep intake and engine temperatures down. Oh, and the amount of money spent on this project has netted about 350whp could have been used to buy AND build a V8 that would make the same or more horsepower with more reliability.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:18

Here is a list of things I will do if you don't get a Porsche.

1 I will make it my goal in life that no girl ever has sex with you this includes killing the girls that will and cutting off your dick.

2 I will make sure no girl ever loves you. And if one does I will kill them in front of you.

3 I think the 911 is lonely and needs another Porsche friend.

4 As previously mentioned I will cut off your dick peel off your first layer of skin light you on fire and pour lighter fluid on thee fire turn on a grinding wheel and shove you into it repeatedly the I will take a bleach and lemon juice mixture dump it on your wounds cut off your limbs and dump you in the desert to die....I am not bluffing.

5 The Porsche gets better MPG.

6 You can say that you have a Porsche that is all your own.

7 I told you too.

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:31

Kinja'd!!!

HRRRRRNG THIS ONE. The red one. This red one right here.

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:31

Kinja'd!!!

This tingles in a special place. That special place right there.

Stef Schrader > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
06/17/2014 at 22:32

!!!!

I want that. It's my car, but uncrappified.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 22:39

GO BUY ONE

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:39

When I have the money and space, it's down to either this or the Alfa. But it's most likely going to be the 2002 because the Alfas are really starting to get expensive.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vicente Esteve
06/17/2014 at 22:39

But I don't like black shirts!! :( *Not feeling better, still sobbing*

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
06/17/2014 at 22:40

I can't find a single good conditioned one that isn't a notchback. I HATE Notchbacks. :(

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/17/2014 at 22:41

I think I can feel it?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic
06/17/2014 at 22:42

.......I feel so unloved? :(

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 22:44

Buy some of these. You can easily find them in barns for cheap.(I think?)

Kinja'd!!!

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:45

No I love you in a brotherly way :) I just want you to get the right car :). And listen to Stef she is always right. :)

Vicente Esteve > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:47

"OH. You DONT like the black shirt. Then you can have this Dress! Complain again, and Ill give you a damned thong with the words GT3 on it!"

Kinja'd!!!

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:50

Most certainly.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/17/2014 at 22:56

Vince told m e to listen to the Oppo sex with this problem. What's wrong with me? :(

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vicente Esteve
06/17/2014 at 22:56

Can I haz no negative reinforcement?

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 22:57

What is that

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic
06/17/2014 at 22:58

But I don't know right from wrong right now? -_-

So much want, many needs, such feels, too conflicted, ow.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 22:58

Alfalfa

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:01

I want that.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:01

Listen I turned my parent's garage into a small engine shop this year so let me say this the bigger the motor the bigger the problems the 944 has a smaller motor so it will be easier to fix. Listen to me and Stef and you'll be fine. :)

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic
06/17/2014 at 23:03

But that Fox. It wants me.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro
06/17/2014 at 23:04

Fuck yeah you do.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:05

I always see budget built 600HP foxes and say "Damn I could have that I could roast the tires every minute of every day" Then I look at gas prices say "Damn" and then realize the foxes don't handle for beans.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:06

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:06

I think that's called fapping?

Vicente Esteve > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:07

Sorry, went too far.

Hmmmm. Alright, a Mustang will be way easier to fix/run. V8 sound.

BUT the Porsche is more exclusive, it is also reliable, and I think that you will feel miles better when you fix it up and see what you eneded up with. An 80s Porsche.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vicente Esteve
06/17/2014 at 23:11

So many good points for both sides.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/17/2014 at 23:12

No, I don't think that's it, nor is it the problem I'm talking about, I'm talking 'bout dem cars, not different fruits. :P

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:15

You should buy a sausagewagen. Ja.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic
06/17/2014 at 23:15

I don't really want a 600hp fox, just a simple fun carr that's easy to work on and enjoy the way cars should be. Not too expensive to insure or repair.

Vicente Esteve > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:17

I for one, would go for the Porsche. I may be seen as a badge snob, but man, getting the keys of my very own Porsche must feel well.

I would buy it a Porsche emblem key ring, and every time I left home in it, say to everyone in my house: " Im leaving in my Porsche. See you later". Though in your case, your father already owns one!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/17/2014 at 23:18

A wa?....

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vicente Esteve
06/17/2014 at 23:23

That would be funny.

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:37

WURSTENHAMMER

Bandit > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:38

I had the same problem when shopping for my car. Do I want old American v8 power or a 944? I chose the old American (1960-1980) option because parts are generally cheap and easy to find. The cars are also in general stupid easy to repair. Compared to the 944 that while crazy fun, parts are harder to find and more expensive to buy. The car is also harder to work on than an older American car, a 944 is so much smaller and more modern.

Be honest with yourself though, you won't be able to afford a '69 fastback (or any fastback) in your price range. You will probably have to settle for a 6 cyl coupe that needs bodywork. If you go for a 944 that cheap, it will probably be high mileage, need the timing belt/clutch done, or it would be an automatic.

If you like the idea of an old American car with a burbly V8, you really should check out 2nd gen Firebirds and Trans Ams. They are good looking cars set to compete with the mustangs (and to some extent the Camaro). They are also still cheap (bought mine running and driving two years ago as my first car for $2500) but are gaining rapidly in value. Parts are easy to find and really really cheap (I bought my motor and Trans for $220), there are always sellers on CL. Also, done up right they can look incredibly classy (1971 and 1972 Trans ams especially).

Vicente Esteve > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:41

BUT THE V8!

Haha, Kidding.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/17/2014 at 23:49

......

Kinja'd!!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vicente Esteve
06/17/2014 at 23:49

Are you?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Bandit
06/17/2014 at 23:51

Can I afford Any Mustang? 2nd gen Camaro? Vette?? As long as that Vette isn't a C4 or C5.

Vicente Esteve > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:56

Honestly, i'd take the Porsche, to not mess your mind up even more with opinions/facts.

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/17/2014 at 23:59

SOMECONSONANTSANDWORDSMASHEDTOGETHER

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/18/2014 at 00:03

Kinja'd!!!

Bandit > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 00:03

For no apparent reason I troll CL all the time keeping up with the markets for those cars. I also looked at those for my first cars.

You won't be able to afford a Vette unless it is a C4 or a basket case C3. C5s are still too expensive (unless they've been wrapped around a tree). The only "decent" mustangs you will be able to afford are first gen 6-cyl coupe project cars, fox bodies that are in worn shape, and 6-cly 90s era bubbly plastic cars. I'm just going to assume you don't care about the Mustang 2. Camaros you can easily find 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 00 cars (2nd - 4th gen cars) in your range in decent shape. Firebirds and Trans Ams in the same age range. GM f bodies are just cheap for some reason.

You can probably afford a decent base model 914, and a 924S... But those aren't as cool as a 944. Most 944s in your budget have probably been abused or not well maintained, it just happens because those cars are so cheap. BMWs, good luck finding a decency e30 now since the value has gone way up. E36s are still cheap... But they are harder to work on and more expensive to maintain

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 00:07

my balls

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/18/2014 at 00:09

Balls?? Wait a minute.....Balls, balls, bolls, bools.....boobs....balls=boobs?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Bandit
06/18/2014 at 00:13

Mustang 2? What's that.

And I'll take a project car, so long as it can already be driven from wherever it is back home. I've already started my list of cars to want, would you mind taking a look at them? If you've got the time or would like to.

1. http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/451850…

2. http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/446055…

3. http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/452348…

4. http://battlecreek.craigslist.org/cto/4486212073…

5. http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/4521995092…

6. http://toledo.craigslist.org/cto/4494384328…

7. http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/4524400975…

What do you think of each one?

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 00:20

I've got balls of steeeeeel.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/18/2014 at 00:30

balls of steeeeeel=boobs of steeeeeel?

interesting.

JasonStern911 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 00:51

It depends on what your daily drive is like. And, subtle emphasis on daily. Traffic laws exist, speed limits exist. If you live in the flatlands of America, then a Mustang would probably be more fun due to its straight line acceleration advantage. If you live in an area with corners, or you intend to autocross, then the 944's chassis would be more desirable. If there is a mix of both, then the tie breaker should be this - look at the cost of replacement parts on the 944 - can you afford them? Because they are both older cars, so they will need a bit of wrenching - especially if you plan on hooning them.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > JasonStern911
06/18/2014 at 01:00

My daily drive consists primarily of straight lines, some slight bends, inclines and declines here and there on roads that change from decent to okay to not very good(Michigan roads). I'm not sure if I'd AutoX one or the other. I'm willing to do the wrenching, I'm new to wrenching and figured one of them would be perfect to start with. I'm not sure if I could afford 944 parts and if I could, the car would be down for a good long while. Whichever is logically the cheapest and easiest to work on and with will be the one I pick.

And hooning would be no more than a spirited drive for them. Save the FoST for the intense hooning.

JasonStern911 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 01:06

Mustang easy, then. Especially with the "Michigan roads" that are conductive of rust. As bad as I am at "turning a wrench", I just know I'd be drastically worse at completely removing rust spots and welding replacement sheet metal in to ensure the overall structural rigidity. Plus, if this is your first (or one of your first) cars, the Mustang is a much more fulfilling platform to try to build your Mustang, given the abundance in cheap parts.

Best of luck to you with whichever you choose. From what I have seen not personally owning either, they're both good cars - albeit with a few quirks.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > JasonStern911
06/18/2014 at 01:16

If all works out like it does in my mind, it would be car #3 but my second car. I've already got a FoST as my daily, this would be nothing more than a summer car.

Stef Schrader > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 01:24

Nah, those are fluffy. Testiklarna metallica gigantica.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Stef Schrader
06/18/2014 at 01:31

Now that sounds scientific. Muy Gigante! :D

Fluffy sounds nice, :P

Bandit > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 09:12

1. It looks like a cop car or one that would be bought by an old lady... The description is horrible so I can't really say more than that

2. Badass project car. It looks like it will need a ton of work though. They are throwing a carbed 5.0 into a car that should have an ecu and stuff. Kind of Frankenstein-y. It looks like the guy built it for the strip almost. Keep in mind paint will be stupid expensive (my paint job cost the painter 6k... I was quoted 3500).

3. "Looks good, ooh it's got decent paint *reads frame damage*. Nope nope nope nope nope" these 1st gen cars are rust buckets in the frame, trunk, and quarters.

4. Body work and paint gets really expensive really fast. I'd avoid it on such a car that really won't have much resale value.

5. Same reasons a 4 although I do like it a tad more than the last car too.

6. It's ugly looking and there could be a bit of rust in the fenders, but of it runs and drives well, it could be worse.

7. Do you really want to build and install an engine? Then get it painted and fix up the interior?

Btw the mustang 2 was the generation of mustang that came in following the 1973 model year and lasted until the fox body started production. They are generally regarded as the worst mustangs as they were ugly and massively underpowered.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Bandit
06/18/2014 at 10:12

It seems that Mustang is out of the question then. :(

Are there any other interesting American cars out there? A friend mentioned Fiero?

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 12:22

That is a 944. :P

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic
06/18/2014 at 12:45

Is it? I'm just not sure..

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 12:53

It is. Honestly I like 2 types of cars driver's cars (Cars that are simple fun and handle well.) and new 3 cylinder commuters. One of these is a 944 the other is a mirage or fiesta. I can only afford the 924s. It seems you want a drivers car so get a Fiero, a MR2, or a 944.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic
06/18/2014 at 13:01

I want a casual driver's car that's fun and has the power and handles well.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
06/18/2014 at 13:03

That is a driver's car. Or an Enthusiest car.